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Saturday, 5 May 2012

NO ONE WANTS TO PAY TAX FOR FREEDOMS


Copy from Bob Livingstons PERSONAL LIBERTY DIGEST
GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA, the statement you made that nobody want’s to pay taxes here is what I call a global statement. Some people here don’t mind paying taxes if they are used for the right purposes. And your statement that Republicans don’t want to share their wealth is also a global statement about Republicans. Does anybody really want to “share their wealth”? I know a lot of Republicans that donate to charities and who support worthy causes. But you are right that most conservatives don’t want to share their wealth with people who don’t do anything to earn it.
How do you define needy people?
Can they be lazy and needy too?
You say that “I know a lot of Republicans that donate to charities and who support worthy causes.”
Can you define worthy causes and charities ? Are these worthy cause like the Salvation Army who provide money and assistance to the criminally insane, thieves and vagabonds regarded as worthy causes?
I would object to the waste of money on the con artists and thieving actors who they assist every day so these “poor vulnerable people” or rather i call them lazy [maybe also needy] con artists can use their other money for alcohol and drugs. Why do wealthy people indirectly donate so much to these lazy class of thieves?
No I don’t agree to support these types of needy people. I would rather the wealthy donate to build museums or direct funds to medical science under conditions that discoveries be used to provide cheaper medicines for the general public.
Of the $Billions donated over the last 50 years for medical research, why is it that Cancer cures cost so much? Who is using this free research funding to discover cures and then selling them for excessive pricings? I would like donations to have strings attached.
I would much more agree that the lazy hobos remain on the streets and sleep under bridges as this class of person, well at least in Australia…I class as REJECTS, their families don’t want them, their friends don’t want them, and even the social workers wont house them preferring to pass them on to charities who waste their money on them.
Most have psychiatric problems, have personality problems and are just plain dangerous because they can’t live with strangers or family members, so why should anyone else take the risk to house them?
You want a say on how the government spends your tax money…but unfortunately its not that easy unless you work in government and have the authority…but alas the taxation system does NOT work to meet your personal expenditure requirements and those of every citizen who pays taxes…the only choice you have is an average choice…a communal choice as determined by millions of voters who vote for Members of your Congress, Senate and President who once chosen rely on the public services to administer the trillions of tax collections. Funnily enough these people remain in employment no matter how many administrations come and go ….their personalities do not change if suddenly the republicans win…unless the Republicans make specific directions in their policy adoption processes, The President and his men…have NO SAY in the Public servants offices. So i laugh at all the forum participants who blame OBAMA for all your current problems…when Obama represents the aspirations of all the Democrat supporters who voted him in last time and those who intend to vote for him again next time.
I support Dr. Ron Paul because he offers a seismic shift in policy whereas Mitt is just another Obama….Mitt cant offer anything new, whereas RON PAUL does. RON PAUL is different, he is better and put him in the limelight in debates and people will understand his wisdom. Mitt does not imprress me at all even though I’m in Australia …but i believe your treating your voters with contempt when you wish to put up MITT as a substandard product for sale/ on offer….they will choose Obama. Im sure Mitt is a nice enough guy…but voters want standout candidates which Ron Paul is. The Republicans should not gamble with Mitt unless they want to lose…
Its either RON PAUL or OBAMA in my view. .
I support RON PAUL’s policies because they are self-evident and honest…why go try find any alternative. You have had him for 40 years but you Americans have kept him under wraps WHY? Is it because you want things to remain the same? It goes to the root of the lack of honesty in many of your debaters who can’t debate rationally on policies …the very policies which RON PAUL offers but some of you are looking for someone younger better looking…in Mitt…but that won’t win you a Republican President.
In the end, I too have to accept what you Americans choose …but I can sure try hard to make you see the light. …the TREASURE you have before your eyes….sometimes i think you Americans enjoy choosing losers so that you can continue to complain about OBAMA…its part of the pleasure pain syndrome…you enjoy the pleasure of complaining about OBAMA the man instead of voting in RON PAUL your saviour…who you maybe don’t really believe in lower taxes and govt waste. You enjoy shooting yourselves in the foot….that’s my honest ,,no nonsense opinion…today.
Further, your country could not afford full employment if your unemployed suddenly got jobs tomorrow they would want a new car,,,IMPORTED, more fuel IMPORTED, new washing machine IMPORTED, new TV IMPORTED..new mobile hone IMPORTED…better new apartments RENT INCREASES OF ENORMOUS PERCENTAGES, new houses..IMPORTED FROM CHINA, digital camera..IMPORTED, more food…IMPORTED FROM ASIA. How many unemployed do you have now, plus how many homeless multiply that by total expected imports + MULTI TRILLION DOLLAR BALANCE OF PAYMENTS DEFICITS, EXCALLATING WAGE DEMANDS= HYPER INFLATION FOR THE REST OF THE CURRENTLY EMPLOYED PEOPLE, HIGHER INTEREST RATES TO 15% my guestimate. So may I suggest you need just a few more in jobs but not everyone in jobs to disrupt your current cozy lifestyle?
MY reply
A great deal of what you say is totally correct that wealth usually comes from unfetted free enterprise, HOWEVER the corruption within government of offering contracts to many corporations using government tax revenues has put your and many other nations in deficit from , THEY ARE LIVING OFF TAXES TOO. CORPORATE WELFARE IF YOU WILL. Those corporations who rely on government contracts for military purchases and roads and other essentials are not living directly of free enterprise activities. And many of your unemployed are living on government welfare so they can purchase food from your farms. So do you wish taxes to reduce after stopping food stamps and social welfare or stop money for roads or military wages?

America’s problems seem to stem from a belief that no one should pay taxes and that all government departments should close down except for the military and the police. No one wants to pay any tax and Republicans supporters most especially don’t want to share their wealth with anyone. They believe that they have worked hard using their skills to build and operate a business which is earning them an income and profit and why should they have to share that with others and strangers at that, as after all our profits are due to our hard work and skills at using cheap labor in America or the Asian countries and not due to government policies or the poorer being given money to buy our food and goods using food stamps.

Oh No, our businesses run independently to the American economy and we dont need others to steal our money through taxation. We want the lazy unemployed masses to beg and sleep under bridges or the streets and not be supported by government handouts. We want poor Americans to camp out in our bus stations and parks and beg for food and if they get too desperate and dare to try to steal food then the police can put them in concentration camps where they can earn their keep and food by breaking rocks for road construction companies who charge tolls for using their roads. Why should your poor be offered work for a reasonable wage if we can employ workers from China at $1 per hour. We only want to sell cars to other business people who can afford our high priced Ford motor vehicles and the poor can just learn to walk instead or get a bike. Charity is only optional if the churches themselves can get donations from other silly people who want to offer food and shelter to the millions of poor who will be sleeping in doorways and camping along rivers and parks and really who cares if they die freezing to death…they not our problem and certainly not the American way and certainly not the Christian way of doing things…nowhere in the bible does it say we should help the poor and disadvantaged, the lazy and the weak. Oh no we want to keep our money in gold.and not houses which might have desperate and dangerous squatters living in them who cant afford to pay rent because they can’t even afford to buy food after the Republican government scraps the food stamp program. .

Everyone needs to pay taxes to keep your economy going and its up to your representatives who you been voting in for the last 300 years to do what the majority wants them to do even if you as an individual or a group do not agree with the results.. That’s life, but some of you guys can’t accept the results of every one of your elections and continue to be bad losers when your party does not win. You act in a treasonous way with what some of you and your representative do against the good running of your elected or part majority elected government. I don’t blame you for being that way as it is the nature of men who have strong political beliefs and I myself do it sometimes too. Every time you have an election the losers complain that they could do it better and when they do win…THEY DO LITTLE to improve your economic situation.

Taxes cannot be apportioned according to some fair sharing system…it does not work that way. , Unfortunately your economy is not structured to suddenly cut expenditure programs to counterbalance lower taxes, that instant program will put your economy into a much worse situation than your in now…it will nosedive and gold prices will rise substantially for the benefit of traders and the major holders of gold such as the Chinese.

Those of you who might like to make more money out of such a scenario would in my opinion be unpatriotic to wish to profit from the demise of everyone else in your community

The reality is that your economy cannot operate without more people or corporations paying higher taxes…and so get on with it and pay more income taxes or pay more by losing everything in your financial collapse..I CANT PUT IT IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE. iF YOU PAY MORE TAXES, THEN YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY AND GET TO KEEP WHAT YOU OWN NOW. LOOK AT THE SO CALLED SMART GREEKS…HOW SMART ARE THEY NOW??? DO YOU WISH TO FOLLOW IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS TOO?? JUST THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR CONTINUAL EGO BICKERING IN CONGRESS. ITS A TOTAL DISGRACE…

AND UNTIL YOU REPUBLICANS SUPPORT BY NOMINATING DR RON PAUL , then i’m going to believe that they too agree that more people are going to need to pay higher taxes to balance your budget. There are only TWO solutions…DR RON PAUL OR OBAMA. Mitt is just another Obama just another Democrat in sheeps clothing. So basically when you Republicans become honest by supporting honest candidates like Ron Paul…then I’ll believe your talk. Until then I DONT BELIEVE ANYONE EXCEPT RON PAUL.

How do you define needy people?
Can they be lazy and needy too?
You say that “I know a lot of Republicans that donate to charities and who support worthy causes.”
Can you define worthy causes and charities ? Are these worthy cause like the Salvation Army who provide money and assistance to the criminally insane, thieves and vagabonds regarded as worthy causes?
I would object to the waste of money on the con artists and thieving actors who they assist every day so these “poor vulnerable people” or rather i call them lazy [maybe also needy] con artists can use their other money for alcohol and drugs. Why do wealthy people indirectly donate so much to these lazy class of thieves?
No I don’t agree to support these types of needy people. I would rather the wealthy donate to build museums or direct funds to medical science under conditions that discoveries be used to provide cheaper medicines for the general public.
Of the $Billions donated over the last 50 years for medical research, why is it that Cancer cures cost so much? Who is using this free research funding to discover cures and then selling them for excessive pricings? I would like donations to have strings attached.
I would much more agree that the lazy hobos remain on the streets and sleep under bridges as this class of person, well at least in Australia…I class as REJECTS, their families don’t want them, their friends don’t want them, and even the social workers wont house them preferring to pass them on to charities who waste their money on them.
Most have psychiatric problems, have personality problems and are just plain dangerous because they can’t live with strangers or family members, so why should anyone else take the risk to house them?
You want a say on how the government spends your tax money…but unfortunately its not that easy unless you work in government and have the authority…but alas the taxation system does NOT work to meet your personal expenditure requirements and those of every citizen who pays taxes…the only choice you have is an average choice…a communal choice as determined by millions of voters who vote for Members of your Congress, Senate and President who once chosen rely on the public services to administer the trillions of tax collections. Funnily enough these people remain in employment no matter how many administrations come and go ….their personalities do not change if suddenly the republicans win…unless the Republicans make specific directions in their policy adoption processes, The President and his men…have NO SAY in the Public servants offices. So i laugh at all the forum participants who blame OBAMA for all your current problems…when Obama represents the aspirations of all the Democrat supporters who voted him in last time and those who intend to vote for him again next time.
I support Dr. Ron Paul because he offers a seismic shift in policy whereas Mitt is just another Obama….Mitt cant offer anything new, whereas RON PAUL does. RON PAUL is different, he is better and put him in the limelight in debates and people will understand his wisdom. Mitt does not imprress me at all even though I’m in Australia …but i believe your treating to voters with contempt when you wish to put up MITT as a substandard product for sale/ on offer….they will choose Obama. Im sure Mitt is a nice enough guy…but voters want standout candidates which Ron Paul is. The Republicans should not gamble with Mitt unless they want to lose…
Its either RON PAUL or OBAMA in my view. .
I support RON PAUL’s policies because they are self-evident and honest…why go try find any alternative. You have had him for 40 years but you Americans have kept him under wraps WHY? Is it because you want things to remain the same? It goes to the root of the lack of honesty in many of your debaters who can’t debate rationally on policies …the very policies which RON PAUL offers but some of you are looking for someone younger better looking…in Mitt…but that won’t win you a Republican President.
In the end, I too have to accept what you Americans choose …but I can sure try hard to make you see the light. …the TREASURE you have before your eyes….sometimes i think you Americans enjoy choosing losers so that you can continue to complain about OBAMA…its part of the pleasure pain syndrome…you enjoy the pleasure of complaining about OBAMA the man instead of voting in RON PAUL your saviour…who you maybe don’t really believe in lower taxes and govt waste. You enjoy shooting yourselves in the foot….that’s my honest ,,no nonsense opinion…today.
Further, your country could not afford full employment if your unemployed suddenly got jobs tomorrow they would want a new car,,,IMPORTED, more fuel IMPORTED, new washing machine IMPORTED, new TV IMPORTED..new mobile hone IMPORTED…better new apartments RENT INCREASES OF ENORMOUS PERCENTAGES, new houses..IMPORTED FROM CHINA, digital camera..IMPORTED, more food…IMPORTED FROM ASIA. How many unemployed do you have now, plus how many homeless multiply that by total expected imports + MULTI TRILLION DOLLAR BALANCE OF PAYMENTS DEFICITS, EXCALLATING WAGE DEMANDS= HYPER INFLATION FOR THE REST OF THE CURRENTLY EMPLOYED PEOPLE, HIGHER INTEREST RATES TO 15% my guestimate. So may I suggest you need just a few more in jobs but not everyone in jobs to disrupt your current cozy lifestyle?

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